For nearly a century, “reality” has been a murky concept. The laws of quantum physics seem to suggest that particles spend much of their time in a ghostly state, lacking even basic properties such as a definite location and instead existing everywhere and nowhere at once. Only when a particle is measured does it suddenly materialize, appearing to pick its position as if by a roll of the dice.

This idea that nature is inherently probabilistic — that particles have no hard properties, only likelihoods, until they are observed — is directly implied by the standard equations of quantum mechanics. But now a set of surprising experiments with fluids has revived old skepticism about that worldview. The bizarre results are fueling interest in an almost forgotten version of quantum mechanics, one that never gave up the idea of a single, concrete reality.

The experiments involve an oil droplet that bounces along the surface of a liquid. The droplet gently sloshes the liquid with every bounce. At the same time, ripples from past bounces affect its course. The droplet’s interaction with its own ripples, which form what’s known as a pilot wave, causes it to exhibit behaviors previously thought to be peculiar to elementary particles — including behaviors seen as evidence that these particles are spread through space like waves, without any specific location, until they are measured.

Particles at the quantum scale seem to do things that human-scale objects do not do. They can tunnel through barriers, spontaneously arise or annihilate, and occupy discrete energy levels. This new body of research reveals that oil droplets, when guided by pilot waves, also exhibit these quantum-like features.

To some researchers, the experiments suggest that quantum objects are as definite as droplets, and that they too are guided by pilot waves — in this case, fluid-like undulations in space and time. These arguments have injected new life into a deterministic (as opposed to probabilistic) theory of the microscopic world first proposed, and rejected, at the birth of quantum mechanics.

“This is a classical system that exhibits behavior that people previously thought was exclusive to the quantum realm, and we can say why,” said John Bush, a professor of applied mathematics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has led several recent bouncing-droplet experiments. “The more things we understand and can provide a physical rationale for, the more difficult it will be to defend the ‘quantum mechanics is magic’ perspective.”

**Magical Measurements**

The orthodox view of quantum mechanics, known as the “Copenhagen interpretation” after the home city of Danish physicist Niels Bohr, one of its architects, holds that particles play out all possible realities simultaneously. Each particle is represented by a “probability wave” weighting these various possibilities, and the wave collapses to a definite state only when the particle is measured. The equations of quantum mechanics do not address how a particle’s properties solidify at the moment of measurement, or how, at such moments, reality picks which form to take. But the calculations work. As Seth Lloyd, a quantum physicist at MIT, put it, “Quantum mechanics is just counterintuitive and we just have to suck it up.”

A classic experiment in quantum mechanics that seems to demonstrate the probabilistic nature of reality involves a beam of particles (such as electrons) propelled one by one toward a pair of slits in a screen. When no one keeps track of each electron’s trajectory, it seems to pass through both slits simultaneously. In time, the electron beam creates a wavelike interference pattern of bright and dark stripes on the other side of the screen. But when a detector is placed in front of one of the slits, its measurement causes the particles to lose their wavelike omnipresence, collapse into definite states, and travel through one slit or the other. The interference pattern vanishes. The great 20th-century physicist Richard Feynman said that this double-slit experiment “has in it the heart of quantum mechanics,” and “is impossible, absolutely impossible, to explain in any classical way.”

Some physicists now disagree. “Quantum mechanics is very successful; nobody’s claiming that it’s wrong,” said Paul Milewski, a professor of mathematics at the University of Bath in England who has devised computer models of bouncing-droplet dynamics. “What we believe is that there may be, in fact, some more fundamental reason why [quantum mechanics] looks the way it does.”

**Riding Waves**

The idea that pilot waves might explain the peculiarities of particles dates back to the early days of quantum mechanics. The French physicist Louis de Broglie presented the earliest version of pilot-wave theory at the 1927 Solvay Conference in Brussels, a famous gathering of the founders of the field. As de Broglie explained that day to Bohr, Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrödinger, Werner Heisenberg and two dozen other celebrated physicists, pilot-wave theory made all the same predictions as the probabilistic formulation of quantum mechanics (which wouldn’t be referred to as the “Copenhagen” interpretation until the 1950s), but without the ghostliness or mysterious collapse.

The probabilistic version, championed by Bohr, involves a single equation that represents likely and unlikely locations of particles as peaks and troughs of a wave. Bohr interpreted this probability-wave equation as a complete definition of the particle. But de Broglie urged his colleagues to use two equations: one describing a real, physical wave, and another tying the trajectory of an actual, concrete particle to the variables in that wave equation, as if the particle interacts with and is propelled by the wave rather than being defined by it.

For example, consider the double-slit experiment. In de Broglie’s pilot-wave picture, each electron passes through just one of the two slits, but is influenced by a pilot wave that splits and travels through both slits. Like flotsam in a current, the particle is drawn to the places where the two wavefronts cooperate, and does not go where they cancel out.

De Broglie could not predict the exact place where an individual particle would end up — just like Bohr’s version of events, pilot-wave theory predicts only the statistical distribution of outcomes, or the bright and dark stripes — but the two men interpreted this shortcoming differently. Bohr claimed that particles don’t have definite trajectories; de Broglie argued that they do, but that we can’t measure each particle’s initial position well enough to deduce its exact path.

In principle, however, the pilot-wave theory is deterministic: The future evolves dynamically from the past, so that, if the exact state of all the particles in the universe were known at a given instant, their states at all future times could be calculated.

At the Solvay conference, Einstein objected to a probabilistic universe, quipping, “God does not play dice,” but he seemed ambivalent about de Broglie’s alternative. Bohr told Einstein to “stop telling God what to do,” and (for reasons that remain in dispute) he won the day. By 1932, when the Hungarian-American mathematician John von Neumann claimed to have proven that the probabilistic wave equation in quantum mechanics could have no “hidden variables” (that is, missing components, such as de Broglie’s particle with its well-defined trajectory), pilot-wave theory was so poorly regarded that most physicists believed von Neumann’s proof without even reading a translation.

More than 30 years would pass before von Neumann’s proof was shown to be false, but by then the damage was done. The physicist David Bohm resurrected pilot-wave theory in a modified form in 1952, with Einstein’s encouragement, and made clear that it did work, but it never caught on. (The theory is also known as de Broglie-Bohm theory, or Bohmian mechanics.)

Later, the Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell went on to prove a seminal theorem that many physicists today misinterpret as rendering hidden variables impossible. But Bell supported pilot-wave theory. He was the one who pointed out the flaws in von Neumann’s original proof. And in 1986 he wrote that pilot-wave theory “seems to me so natural and simple, to resolve the wave-particle dilemma in such a clear and ordinary way, that it is a great mystery to me that it was so generally ignored.”

The neglect continues. A century down the line, the standard, probabilistic formulation of quantum mechanics has been combined with Einstein’s theory of special relativity and developed into the Standard Model, an elaborate and precise description of most of the particles and forces in the universe. Acclimating to the weirdness of quantum mechanics has become a physicists’ rite of passage. The old, deterministic alternative is not mentioned in most textbooks; most people in the field haven’t heard of it. Sheldon Goldstein, a professor of mathematics, physics and philosophy at Rutgers University and a supporter of pilot-wave theory, blames the “preposterous” neglect of the theory on “decades of indoctrination.” At this stage, Goldstein and several others noted, researchers risk their careers by questioning quantum orthodoxy.

**A Quantum Drop**

Now at last, pilot-wave theory may be experiencing a minor comeback — at least, among fluid dynamicists. “I wish that the people who were developing quantum mechanics at the beginning of last century had access to these experiments,” Milewski said. “Because then the whole history of quantum mechanics might be different.”

The experiments began a decade ago, when Yves Couder and colleagues at Paris Diderot University discovered that vibrating a silicon oil bath up and down at a particular frequency can induce a droplet to bounce along the surface. The droplet’s path, they found, was guided by the slanted contours of the liquid’s surface generated from the droplet’s own bounces — a mutual particle-wave interaction analogous to de Broglie’s pilot-wave concept.

In a groundbreaking experiment, the Paris researchers used the droplet setup to demonstrate single- and double-slit interference. They discovered that when a droplet bounces toward a pair of openings in a damlike barrier, it passes through only one slit or the other, while the pilot wave passes through both. Repeated trials show that the overlapping wavefronts of the pilot wave steer the droplets to certain places and never to locations in between — an apparent replication of the interference pattern in the quantum double-slit experiment that Feynman described as “impossible … to explain in any classical way.” And just as measuring the trajectories of particles seems to “collapse” their simultaneous realities, disturbing the pilot wave in the bouncing-droplet experiment destroys the interference pattern.

Droplets can also seem to “tunnel” through barriers, orbit each other in stable “bound states,” and exhibit properties analogous to quantum spin and electromagnetic attraction. When confined to circular areas called corrals, they form concentric rings analogous to the standing waves generated by electrons in quantum corrals. They even annihilate with subsurface bubbles, an effect reminiscent of the mutual destruction of matter and antimatter particles.

In each test, the droplet wends a chaotic path that, over time, builds up the same statistical distribution in the fluid system as that expected of particles at the quantum scale. But rather than resulting from indefiniteness or a lack of reality, these quantum-like effects are driven, according to the researchers, by “path memory.” Every bounce of the droplet leaves a mark in the form of ripples, and these ripples chaotically but deterministically influence the droplet’s future bounces and lead to quantum-like statistical outcomes. The more path memory a given fluid exhibits — that is, the less its ripples dissipate — the crisper and more quantum-like the statistics become. “Memory generates chaos, which we need to get the right probabilities,” Couder explained. “We see path memory clearly in our system. It doesn’t necessarily mean it exists in quantum objects, it just suggests it would be possible.”

The quantum statistics are apparent even when the droplets are subjected to external forces. In one recent test, Couder and his colleagues placed a magnet at the center of their oil bath and observed a magnetic ferrofluid droplet. Like an electron occupying fixed energy levels around a nucleus, the bouncing droplet adopted** **a discrete set of stable orbits around the magnet, each characterized by a set energy level and angular momentum. The “quantization” of these properties into discrete packets is usually understood as a defining feature of the quantum realm.

If space and time behave like a superfluid, or a fluid that experiences no dissipation at all, then path memory could conceivably give rise to the strange quantum phenomenon of entanglement — what Einstein referred to as “spooky action at a distance.” When two particles become entangled, a measurement of the state of one instantly affects that of the other. The entanglement holds even if the two particles are light-years apart.

In standard quantum mechanics, the effect is rationalized as the instantaneous collapse of the particles’ joint probability wave. But in the pilot-wave version of events, an interaction between two particles in a superfluid universe sets them on paths that stay correlated forever because the interaction permanently affects the contours of the superfluid. “As the particles move along, they feel the wave field generated by them in the past and all other particles in the past,” Bush explained. In other words, the ubiquity of the pilot wave “provides a mechanism for accounting for these nonlocal correlations.” Yet an experimental test of droplet entanglement remains a distant goal.

**Subatomic Realities**

Many of the fluid dynamicists involved in or familiar with the new research have become convinced that there is a classical, fluid explanation of quantum mechanics. “I think it’s all too much of a coincidence,” said Bush, who led a June workshop on the topic in Rio de Janeiro and is writing a review paper on the experiments for the Annual Review of Fluid Mechanics.

Quantum physicists tend to consider the findings less significant. After all, the fluid research does not provide direct evidence that pilot waves propel particles at the quantum scale. And a surprising analogy between electrons and oil droplets does not yield new and better calculations. “Personally, I think it has little to do with quantum mechanics,” said Gerard ’t Hooft, a Nobel Prize-winning particle physicist at Utrecht University in the Netherlands. He believes quantum theory is incomplete but dislikes pilot-wave theory.

Many working quantum physicists question the value of rebuilding their highly successful Standard Model from scratch. “I think the experiments are very clever and mind-expanding,” said Frank Wilczek, a professor of physics at MIT and a Nobel laureate, “but they take you only a few steps along what would have to be a very long road, going from a hypothetical classical underlying theory to the successful use of quantum mechanics as we know it.”

“This really is a very striking and visible manifestation of the pilot-wave phenomenon,” Lloyd said. “It’s mind-blowing — but it’s not going to replace actual quantum mechanics anytime soon.”

In its current, immature state, the pilot-wave formulation of quantum mechanics only describes simple interactions between matter and electromagnetic fields, according to David Wallace, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford in England, and cannot even capture the physics of an ordinary light bulb. “It is not by itself capable of representing very much physics,” Wallace said. “In my own view, this is the most severe problem for the theory, though, to be fair, it remains an active research area.”

Pilot-wave theory has the reputation of being more cumbersome than standard quantum mechanics. Some researchers said that the theory has trouble dealing with identical particles, and that it becomes unwieldy when describing multiparticle interactions. They also claimed that it combines less elegantly with special relativity. But other specialists in quantum mechanics disagreed or said the approach is simply under-researched. It may just be a matter of effort to recast the predictions of quantum mechanics in the pilot-wave language, said Anthony Leggett, a professor of physics at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, and a Nobel laureate. “Whether one thinks this is worth a lot of time and effort is a matter of personal taste,” he added. “Personally, I don’t.”

On the other hand, as Bohm argued in his 1952 paper, an alternative formulation of quantum mechanics might make the same predictions as the standard version at the quantum scale, but differ when it comes to smaller scales of nature. In the search for a unified theory of physics at all scales, “we could easily be kept on the wrong track for a long time by restricting ourselves to the usual interpretation of quantum theory,” Bohm wrote.

Some enthusiasts think the fluid approach could indeed be the key to resolving the long-standing conflict between quantum mechanics and Einstein’s theory of gravity, which clash at infinitesimal scales.

“The possibility exists that we can look for a unified theory of the Standard Model and gravity in terms of an underlying, superfluid substrate of reality,” said Ross Anderson, a computer scientist and mathematician at the University of Cambridge in England, and the co-author of a recent paper on the fluid-quantum analogy. In the future, Anderson and his collaborators plan to study the behavior of “rotons” (particle-like excitations) in superfluid helium as an even closer analog of this possible “superfluid model of reality.”

But at present, these connections with quantum gravity are speculative, and for young researchers, risky ideas. Bush, Couder and the other fluid dynamicists hope that their demonstrations of a growing number of quantum-like phenomena will make a deterministic, fluid picture of quantum mechanics increasingly convincing.

“With physicists it’s such a controversial thing, and people are pretty noncommittal at this stage,” Bush said. “We’re just forging ahead, and time will tell. The truth wins out in the end.”

*This article was reprinted on Wired.com.*

And then what are “pilot waves”—Is space full of ‘irretrievable’ SHO E₀-state energy…?

Why isn’t it pointed out in the article that the de Broglie-Bohm theory is explicitly nonlocal? I think this is the biggest conceptual drawback of the theory and the reason that most physicists preferred (and still prefer) traditional quantum mechanics. As stated by Bell’s theorem one has to abandon either locality or reality (or accept some form of determinism) and it seems that for most physicists (me included) giving up on reality is the favored choice.

And regarding “[…] an apparent replication of the interference pattern in the quantum double-slit experiment that Feynman described as “impossible … to explain in any classical way.””: while the experiments on reproducing double-slit results in a classical way are definitely interesting on their own, one must not infer from this that full quantum mechanics can therefore be described “in any classical way” (which in my opinion is suggested by the article) since this is forbidden via Bell’s theorem.

We, at dotwave.org, are a group of independant researchers, replicating couder’s experiment, both in silicium and in silico:)

We have two long term goals :

– reproduction and automation of Couder’s single particle double slit diffraction experiment. Indeed, that experiment has never been reproduced, and it lacks a proper statitistic. It has been made “by hand” and it took many month to obtain a simple 250 droplet statistics. Plans of the setup are ready : mobile droplet generator, optical path measurement etc…

– motion simulation in a powerfull cloud calculator. Following bush’s integro differential equation, we obtained interesting results while placing the droplet in a harmonic field : reproducting Couder’reported trajectories… and more to come with several droplets..

Thank you for that very nice article, and let the quest go on !

I know nothing about this but just wanted to throw this out there. After reading this article, I saw something at the FQXi site about “trace dynamics” (http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1266)

that sounded kind of similar to the ripples in the liquid (caused by the bouncing droplet) interacting with each other and feeding back to the droplet to guide its motion. I was just curious if these things were connected at all. Again, I’m an amateur and know nothing about this but just wanted to throw it out there since they sounded similar. Thanks!

Roger

The FQXi blog mentioned a paper by T. Singh at the Tata Institute that talked about “trace dynamics” and said:

o The `quantum gravitational field’ produced by the `quantum mechanical particles’ feeds back on itself.

• This field also affects the motion of the very `particles’ which are producing it. As a result, the `equation of motion’ of the particles is a nonlinear equation [the equivalent of a nonlinear Schrodinger equation]. The nonlinearity is important only near the Planck mass/energy scale.

@RKP: Some “ether”-like other dimension of energy seems much, much more plausible to me than infinite “worlds” supposedly spinning-off from every quantum measurement, just to placate one preferred interpretation of the equations…

@Eruvaer:

Sheldon Goldstein, professor of mathematics, physics and philosophy at Rutgers University and a supporter of de Broglie-Bohm theory, responded to your comment as follows:

“What [Eruvaer] expresses is a common complaint against Bohmian mechanics. This complaint is misguided. While it is true that Bohmian mechanics in nonlocal, what Bell showed is that that nonlocality is intrinsic to quantum theory itself—to its very predictions—and can’t be eliminated while retaining those predictions. Thus if Bohmian mechanics were local it would have to be wrong. And the nonlocality of standard quantum mechanics is quite explicit: it arises from the combination of entangled states and collapse upon measurement.

This very issue has recently been discussed in a paper by Tim Maudlin, What Bell Did, to appear in a special journal issue devoted to Bell.”

Thanks for your interest.

Best,

Natalie Wolchover

Although I appreciate this article, I’m not sure that an average reader could quite understand the exact situation here. The pilot wave theory needs no help or support from experiments like these: it is a mathematically perfectly well-defined theory (in the non-Relativistic domain) that provably makes all the same predictions as the standard quantum formalism while also solving the measurement problem. What the oil-drop experiments provide is a tangible partial analog of the pilot-wave picture, but restricted to single-paricle phenomena (that is, this sort of experiment cannot reproduce the sort of phenomena that depend on entanglement). That is because only in the case of a single particle does the wave function have the same mathematical form (a scalar function over space) as do the waves in the oil. Once two particles are involved, the fact that the wave function is defined over the configuration space of the system rather than over physical space becomes crucial, and the (partial) analogy to the oil-drops fails.

It is, of course, very nice to bring attention to the pilot-wave approach, and these experiments can given one a sort of visceral sense of how it works in some (single particle) experiments. But if over-generalized, the picture can also be somewhat misleading.

To second the point about non-locality made above: yes, of course the pilot-wave theory is non-local. It had better be if it is to recover the predictions of quantum theory. That was what Bell proved. Einstein, of course, insisted on the obvious non-locality of the standard (Copenhagen) understanding of quantum theory: that is what the EPR paper was all about. Einstein hoped that a different approach could avoid the non-locality (“spooky-action-at-a-distance”) in the standard approach. Bell showed it can’t be done, so non-locality cannot be considered a defect of a theory. It is just the opposite: a local theory must be defective: it cannot make the right (experimentally verified) prediction of violation of Bell’s inequality for distant systems.

A wonderfully comprehensive article about core issues in QM. Thanks, Natalie.

Ms. Wolchover and Dr. Maudlin,

Ms. Wolchover: Thanks for writing a great article! Dr. Maudlin: Thanks for the extra information, which was very helpful! My comment is that even if pilot wave theory is perfectly defined mathematically and doesn’t need any help, the bouncing droplet experiments seem to bring up some possible physical mechanisms for how the quantum weirdness stuff may come about. I think one problem with physics is that they seem to emphasize the mathematics over the physical mechanisms. For instance, in addition to the quantum weirdness stuff, I don’t think there’s any physical mechanism yet for why a positive and a negative charge attract. How does the exchange of photons cause attraction in some cases and repulsion in other cases? In my field, biochem., physical mechanisms are very important in figuring out how things work.

Thanks.

Roger

I’ve been a fan of Pilot Waves for many years. We’ve made great progress in the Copenhagen and other popular interpretations of Quantum Mechanics, such as many worlds, but a lot of these are based on a perceived need to distance ourselves from Maxwell – a perceived “break” with the past, as all old formulas get their new (but not necessarily improved) Quantum Mechanical equivalent.

As we get closer to making practical devices using quantum level technologies, having a proper understanding of quantum mechanics is crucial for us to continue.

The analoges of electricity, pressure, behavior of fluids, etc – all lining up nicely with each other in practical engineering fields (a water computer is no more difficult than an computer of electrons; space is the main issue) – all are primarily expressed in waves, and rightly so.

Excess emphasis on the perceived “spookiness” of quantum level interactions does help fund the almost religious mystique of all things “quantum”; it has become a magic word in many circles…. but it simply means “counting how much/how many”.

The idea of separate little things we can count is *very* useful and helpful – and indeed, for many things, we can ‘count’ and act “as if” things are isolated from other things.

but they’re not.

The complex interaction of all things is obvious from the very nature of the beginnings of the Universe; we were once all one and there is no “nothing” inbetween things, even though we are often taught that in school. There is a “something” in the “middle” of things – there always is.

This doesn’t mean the path will be easy; we may still depend on a particle zoo view of things simply because so much wonderful work and research has been done in that area – and there is no reason to abandon it all.

But an understanding of the *context* within which this “apparent” particles are living in – – as expressions of waves – not “clouds” of statistics… raising math to a level that Pythagoras’s followers would fully recognize as their religion – will most definitely benefit future research and technologies, in my opinion.

Kenneth Udut

Naples, Florida USA

Natalie and Tim, Thanks: good comments.

I am interested in the “special journal issue devoted to Bell”.

Could you provide info on that?

Thanks,

Jim

It would be interesting to see if they could do this experiment while also making the sphere spin at a high angular velocity.

I think its pretty cool that the author will actually go and get a response to a comment from the physicists under discussion and then post it. That said, there are good reasons why this idea is a minority interpretation of QM. And needless to say none of these experiments constitute evidence regarding the underlying nature of quantum mechanics.

Eruvaer’s complaint was a meaningful and important one: non-local causation is a serious matter in light of special relativity, and Goldstein’s response is typical of pilot wave supporters, but not satisfactory. What quantum mechanical experiments require is non-local correlation, but this is emphatically not the same thing as non-local causation. When the principles of quantum mechanics are taken seriously they imply the former but not the latter, due to the simple fact that such correlations can only be verified in any one observer’s future light-cone. Definite properties of quantum systems are only obtained when we measure them, regardless of whether or not an entangled partner is being acted upon some distance away. So this particular defence is not a persuasive one: causal influences acting at space-like separations are deeply in conflict with special relativity, because such pairs of events have no well-defined ordering. The argument that experiments say otherwise might have carried weight if these entanglement experiments weren’t already well-described by standard quantum mechanics, in which all causal influences propagate strictly into the future lightcone (at least, that is, if we agree that the postulates must apply to observers as well, rather than cutting off quantum mechanics at the boundary of a would-be “single objective classical reality”).

Its not hard to sympathize with the desire to want a viable picture of a totally concrete “classical reality”, and if the pilot wave theory could really do the job just as well as standard quantum mechanics, it might be very persuasive. However this theory requires the introduction of a massive unobservable apparatus in order to achieve these properties, so there is a major complexity cost to achieving the outcome. Standard quantum mechanics, despite many counterintuitive consequences, is at least highly economical in its principles. This difference is particularly clear when relativity is involved: in many ways standard quantum mechanics fits with special relativity like hand-in-glove into quantum field theory, whereas the pilot wave versions are exponentially more complicated and rube-goldberg-like. They seem to clash dramatically with the symmetry principles that are foundational to our understanding (for example, what are the true “classical states” of a spin-1/2 electron? Only proper quantum mechanics seems to permit such a 2-state system to exist while preserving rotational symmetry, since it treats all bases as equally fundamental).

If these theories could ever be developed to be anywhere near as parsimonious and harmonious with what we know, then many physicists would justifiably reexamine them. For the moment though that motivation just doesn’t seem to be there.

As usual a well written article, thank you.

That quantum mechanics has a variety of very different interpretations is interesting. Does the variety of answers to the question of what quantum mechanics means on a fundamental level mean something is wrong with quantum mechanics? The success of the application of quantum mechanics is well known and justifies the response of “shut up and calculate”, but does having various interpretations imply that the theory on a fundamental level is not understood, and does this mean that something is wrong with quantum mechanics? Shouldn’t a fundamental theory be self explanatory?

To my non-scientist mind, this sounds like it takes some of the bizarreness out of quantum theory. If that’s so, I would welcome it if only to shut up the woo hucksters like Deepka Chopra.

I didn’t see where the new theory classically explained the effect in the double-slit experiment that happened when an attempt was made to measure which slit the particle passed through. Isn’t that arguably the majority of the “mystery” behind the experiment’s results? What did I miss (seriously)?

I agree with Tim Maudlin that it is unclear yet how the Couder experiments can be related to quantum mechanical nonlocality. Having published about 20 papers in recent years on a “subquantum” approach to QM making use of an analogy to Couder’s bouncing droplets, our group recently visited Yves Couder and Emmanuel Fort in Paris, and we agreed that this issue of nonlocality is an open one w.r.t. (in fact, any) fluid mechanics approaches.

In our model, we consider “particles” to be bouncers, i.e. oscillators, embedded in the medium of the non-empty “vacuum”. Said medium is characterized by wave-like oscillations as well as stochastic fluctuations, and the bouncers are dynamically coupled to the wave-like oscillations of the medium, just as in the case of the Couder group experiments. The important point of our approach is given by the circumstance that the frequencies and relative phases relating different parts of the medium in an experimental setup are essentially determined by the geometry of the latter, just as the size of the bath container, as well as its form, determines the waves and their behaviors in the Couder group experiments. This is actually the topic of emergence: the creation of ordered structures of a medium, given that there is a constant throughput of energy to maintain them. Now, where could that energy related to the maintenance of structures in the vacuum come from? One possible answer: the universe! As we live in an expanding universe that potentially also contains something called “dark energy”, any constrained spatial area of it, like an experimental setup constrained by its boundaries, may have a flux of energy through it that we can (directly or indirectly) observe as oscillations and fluctuations of the vacuum, whose quantitative features are co-determined by the boundaries. (Note that in this case one also has the option that nonlocality could be “explained” … admittedly by putting it in “by hand”, so to say, but if the world is truly nonlocal, it would not make much sense to try to reconstruct it on a purely local basis, would it not?)

Anyway, with this ansatz we were able to describe exactly various features of QM without using the latter’s formalism in any way. In fact, we just published in Annals of Physics a paper where we explain Born’s rule and derive the basic postulate of the Bohmian “guiding equation”, which is synonymous to the QM probability density current. Actually, we show that by employing concepts of emergence, one gets rid of the necessity of a configuration space description and obtains the QM results in real space. For a more didactical paper on this issue, see the free access conference contribution http://iopscience.iop.org/1742-6596/504/1/012006 . The formalism turns out to be stunningly simple. In fact it is so simple that we have developed a protocol for computer simulations which enables us to demonstrate via a combination of classical wave mechanics and diffusion (i.e., of the bouncer hopping in a Brownian-type manner) features such as the decay of the Gaussian wavepacket, interference at the double slit or at n slits, respectively (Talbot carpets, etc.), the Aharonov-Bohm effect, and so on. Our results show perfect agreement with the figures obtained in Bohmian mechanics, but with an important difference: our model explains the outcomes classically (i.e. does not rely on the QM wave function formalism as Bohmian mechanics), and provides trajectories only as average ones (i.e. averaged over much more complicated sub-quantum Brownian motions), whereas the Bohmian trajectories are considered as the “real” ones in their model.

You can look up results of our simulations in our papers, all of which can be found on the arXiv, or via our webpage http://www.nonlinearstudies.at . Note also that we have been organizing a conference series on “Emergent QM”, the most recent one being http://www.emqm13.org/ .

@TH: There’s a very short bit in the article addressing that, re: “…disturbing the pilot wave in the bouncing-droplet experiment destroys the interference pattern.” Measuring the particle automatically disturbs the “pilot waves” (whether classical or “other-dimensional”), but that does not necessarily mean that the particle had no trajectory, just a previously unknown one. Epistemologically unknown, chaotic trajectories would still be real trajectories.

I find that “…disturbing the pilot wave in the bouncing-droplet experiment destroys the interference pattern.” is not the right thing to do. One should “disturb” (i.e. measure) the oil droplet and not the wave. Thus, weakly measuring the oil droplet at a slit may still preserve the interference pattern, but also provide sufficient information to tell with a good confidence that the particle has (or has not) passed through that slit. Therefore, the analogy between the oil droplet experiment and quantum mechanics fails at this point, as suspected by Tim Hoefer in the post above.

@VG: Correct, although my understanding is that, at the macro level, the droplet bouncing is actually co-creating its own pilot wave, so it’s unclear (to me at least) what a “weak” or minimal threshold would be for measuring aspects of the droplet which would not in turn disturb or modify the wave patterns. Simply observing the interference pattern develop from 2 slits & the macro walking-droplets is already possible, now, though, I take it. I could be wrong about the imagined applicability to a quantum level, but if a pilot wave model is eventually somehow demonstrated to have an “ontological” reality for the quantum level (and/or beyond it), then the unifying aspect of the “superfluid substrate of reality” (phrase used in article) is presumably what stops the interference pattern once measurement of a single slit starts, since presumably the pilot waves are in turn affected by the modified setup (?). Yet that doesn’t make the trajectories any less actual.

Excellent article Natalie.

I’m all about the realist interpretations of QM (Bohmian mechanics, Many-Worlds, etc.) and think that anything else doesn’t make sense at all. I mean how can physicists talk about there being no “reality” when one of the primary assumptions any working scientist makes is that there is an independent external reality to begin with? This seems entirely self-defeating.

What intrigues me, is the apparent avoidance of discussion of *what* medium would be carrying such pilot waves, and what the particles must be composed of in order to interact with the pilot waves. The pilot waves cannot be electromagnetic, but something more fundamental.

Is their nature just being left unstated (in the article) because it’s too obvious? Or is it currently an unknown, being neglected in the discussion because it’s unknown?

It occurs to me that there’s a strong association between the Pilot-Wave ideas, and another whole branch of alternate (and often rather woo-woo) theorizing going by the name of Scalar Waves. And that perhaps *both* particles and Pilot Waves may be manifestations of topologies of disturbance in an underlying Scalar medium.

@Roger

I believe you are thinking in terms of classical particles being exchanged; this is one source of confusion. The mechanism you seek for the explanation of attraction and repulsion by (virtual) photons depends on the “quantum weirdness.” (The photon was the first “quantum” particle) I believe Feynman’s popular book, “QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter” may offer some answers.

TerraHertz said “What intrigues me, is the apparent avoidance of discussion of *what* medium would be carrying such pilot waves, and what the particles must be composed of in order to interact with the pilot waves. The pilot waves cannot be electromagnetic, but something more fundamental.”

Does this imply that we know what medium is carrying electromagnetic waves? The aether hypothesis was unanimously rejected after we found that the speed of light was frame-independent, but nothing came to replace it as a medium for EM waves. Everybody is happy with the (quantum) vacuum. The quantum vacuum being arguably anything but a dull, “empty” vacuum I can imagine it sustaining some sort of pilot wave (see Gerhard Groessing comments above for related ideas).

There have long been documented macro scale demonstrations of quantum effects. This study of pilot wave mechanics seems to fall under that category. This is just my opinion, but this application seems to assume at the heart of quantum mechanics is the measurement problem. If you believe the measurement problem is an artifact of the deeper situation, that reality is interactive, and those interactions at their edges are indeterminate, then the fluid dynamics described here are simply a macro example of interactive reality playing out in the new situation.

As an aside, the chaotic path of the oil droplet in the magnetic field does not seem, on the surface, to be analogous to the states of electrons around an atom. The probability cloud notion, describing electrons’ locations around the nucleus of an Atom, is that the nature/architecture of the situation determines the locus of existence of electron behavior. Mere chaotic behavior of a droplet in a situation created by the interaction of magnetic fields and fluid waves is a drunkards walk situation, replacing gravity with a magnetic field. It does not seem to be analogous to the stability of our material world world based on the preferred architecture of The atom’s probability clouds.

From a bird,s eye view , are their any connection between the guiding pilot wave and the

U- bit ???

Are all of this search feels the necessity of ” something ” acting as a pattern generating ? , remember Bohm,s ” pattern generating active information field ” ?

M. N.

Congratulations on such a great piece of science writing. Intriguing, clear, balanced, well-referenced.

Tim Maudlin: the droplet experiments do indeed allow you to visualise a pilot wave in the configuration space of two or more particles. In our paper quoted in the above article, Why bouncing droplets are a pretty good model of quantum mechanics, we show that the standing wave created by the droplets bouncing on the vibrating bath is modulated with an

analogue of the quantum mechanical wavefunction \psi; where there are two droplets it’s a function of the position and momentum of both of them. In fact you can see \psi with your naked eye in the pictures of the diffraction experiments. Even although this is only a two-dimensional analogue of quantum mechanics, it could be really helpful as a teaching aid, as it can get across the idea of configuration space and the wavefunction in an intuitive and physically realistic way.

Roger: you’re right that the droplet experiments ask many novel questions. And there is an analogue of the Coulomb force: droplets bouncing in phase attract each other, while droplets bouncing antiphase repel. This phenomenon been known since 1875 in fluid mechanics, and is called the secondary Bjerknes force; it’s used in ultrasonic degassing equipment. If you have oil with a lot of small air bubbles, you can put an ultrasonic transducer in it and the bubbles will expand and contract in phase. This gives rise to an inverse square force of attraction between them; they merge, coalesce and rise to the surface, removing the air from the oil.

Cliff: spin-half behaviour also emerges in the droplet experiments, where there are two droplets orbiting each other. This involves an analogue of the magnetic force, and gives rise to some cute behaviour such as droplets playing hopscotch as they walk along the edge of the tray. For details see our paper.

I have wondered why John Cramer’s cosmic handshake (google it) is discussed so little. But perhaps expressing it in terms of pilot waves make it more palatable. The backwards in time information can be considered as part of the pilot wave. I like the analogy of solving a boundary value problem using finite differences. One gets a global solution, but each of the equations that make up the sytem one solves only involves local information. Thus the backwards in time business can be handled in terms of equations using only local information, albeit some of the local information may be on either side of (but arbitrarly close to) the time at a given point.

And if you are still reading, here is an idea for an experiment, that might have a small chance of showing some difference between what quantum theory predicts, and what some pilot wave theory might predict.

The usual double slits, but one slit close to the north pole of a bar magnet and the other slit close to the south pole. Electrons are passed one a a time through a filter that determines the spin on the electron as either up or down prior to passing through the slits. Get the diffraction pattern for these electrons keeping different statistics for the up and down cases. At the same time take statistics on the spins of the electrons when they are detected. This will require separated runs. Once again statistics are separate for the up and down cases.

But that first spin can be at any angle, say a, and the spin detector after passing though the second detector can also be at any angle, b. Thus you accumulate statistics for what is detected in terms of the diffraction patterns, and what is seen for spins at angle b for different choices of angle a.

The unlikely hope is that something shows up differently than expected as there is more of an effect from the slit that the electron actually passes through, that would not be indicated by the usual quantum mechanics calculations.

P.S. I really don’t have much of an idea of what I’m talking about.

How has no one mentioned the aether. Why use Superfluid instead of aether? The term aether is well established in the literature as an all encompassing fluid-like substance which all things exist in. The word aether has been in use for thousands of years and much thought has been invested into it by brilliant and dedicated minds.

Superfluid is a fake!

Very interesting presentation and comments, thanks.

As for the problem of an analog for measuring the droplet system compared to the quantum counterpart of the process, it occurs to me that most quantum measurements use interactions between particles that have mass / size in some neighborhood of similar proportions. Measuring the droplets in a system with analogous scales would require use particles proportional in size to the oil droplets themselves. Perhaps the analogy becomes weaker at this point, since the oil droplet is not held together with anything analogous to the ‘resilient’ nuclear weak force, but rather surface tension originating in Van der Waals forces.

I presume the oil drops and the pilot wave medium are visualized using interaction with photons, which are many orders of magnitude smaller and less energetic.

Wondering how non-local entanglement might be considered in a many particle open system oil droplet / pilot wave system? Wouldn’t the entangled pair’s respective pilot waves be overwhelmed by noise from the noise of all the other pilot wave / particles?

Ms Wolchover states

“…But at present, these connections with quantum gravity are speculative, and for young researchers, risky ideas.” Sadly, this seems to be correct these days… young researchers

are often taught to avoid risky areas and thought. While this may have been true even

back in Einstein’s prodigious youth, I rather doubt it, or that it carried much weight

if true.

BTW, it occurs to me that the concept of C-Y manifolds may be able to accommodate

not only the notion of space-time being a superfluid, but the possibility that two or

more such ‘superfluids’, matching, say, the number of lepton-quark families, might

co-exist, in principle. This might allow a richer playing-field, so to speak, for the

care and feeding of particle physics.

So to sum up, this is interesting for philosophers but not for physicists re the interest groups seen? And the problem is that the simplest pilot wave theory is non-relativistic. [Maudlin]

Well, I’ll have to dig into this. I don’t really understand how this is particularly different from the pilot wave in Shrodinger’s wave equation. That is also an invisible (though mathematical) wave that one then operates on (via math) to derive observables. It is in fact that wave that is responsible for quantum interference effects.

A “fluid”-like interpretation of Schrodinger’s pilot wave, however, doesn’t really explain how this pilot wave can move through all space/time without any other interactions, etc…

Given those quoted in the article (eg, Wilczek, etc…), I guess there must be something interesting here, but right now I’m not sure I see it.

So the fluid would be vacuum / non-excited quantum field(s), the Pilot Wave / ripples would be virtual particles, and the walkers / droplets would be actual particles / excited qantum fields?

Is that correct? How do virtual particles keep the “path memory”? Do they interact with each other?

P.S. I’m not a physicist, and english is my second language.

I have no idea what I’m talking about, but after using google all day I stumbled over a sentence at the end of the following work, that describes quantum fluctuations as “book-keeping-devices” – which sounds like the answer I was looking for: a way for having a “path memory” in the vacuum / zero point field?

http://www.math.univ-toulouse.fr/~bouclet/GDR-2012/mallick.pdf

What a great Article and a great comment section.

The EPR class of experiments is an interesting goal for this framework and would be a significant result. The model non-local, but can have emergent non-local correlations. The model would then involve 2 particles creating their wavefield and establishing a correlation over long distances. Part of the ‘paradoxes’ arise because of the mental categories we use to describe the problem. For example, what makes the EPR experiments so magical is that wave collapse seems to happen at A and B even if A and B are separated cones of light. The answer to this apparent paradox in the wave/particle picture is that there is no wave collapse. There never was. Just intermittence between states (which is driven by memory which induces chaos as Couder likes to remind everyone). It is the intermittence that creates the statistics we observe. “There is no such thing as superposition, dead cats and wave collapse” is what I take away from this study.

Great article, great comments!

I discovered de Broglie a few years back. I’d be delighted if it became the new standard interpretation as it explains the “weird” behaviour of quanta as emergent behaviour. As to problems with relativity: Oh well -astronomy has a problem with relativity as well – you can only compute movements of celestial bodies if you assume that gravity propagates instantaneously. You can’t compute an orbit without that! But “instantaneously” has NO MEANING in relativity because there’s no global clock!!! Hmmm….

… so if astronomy can play a wildcard, why can’t de Broglie?

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the superfluid substrate.

Einstein’s gravitational wave is de Broglie wave of wave-particle duality; both are waves in the superfluid substrate.

The superfluid substrate displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.

The Milky Way’s dark matter halo is not a clump of stuff traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is moving through an displacing the superfluid substrate.

The Milky Way’s halo is the state of displacement of the superfluid substrate.

This was a very interesting article that has provoked a couple of questions, which perhaps a physicist can answer:

1. What is the medium in which the pilot wave is propagating?

2. How does a quantum particle excite that medium? In the large scale analogy, the excitation occurs through bouncing of the droplet, with gravity providing the force. Clearly something else is required for quantum-scale particles.

Thanks

what a great article!!Quanta magazine is absolutely fantastic……

and then there was The Aether…… and finally reality starts to return to physics……. Waves can only exist in a medium and all gravity is a pressure differential and electrons are standing waves. Sanity at last.

Suggestion for an experiment…

Make one of the slits with adjustable width, so that you could decrease the width in very small increments. *IF* there’s a real physical particle, it will have a definite physical dimension. At some point, the width of the slit will have been reduced to something smaller that the physical dimension of the particle and it will no longer go through… but the waves should; perhaps with a much diminished distance. Another variation on that theme would be to change the separation of the two slits; looking for a difference in behavior when the separation distance coincides with crests or troughs of the waves. These suggestions require that the changes in slit width and separation can be controlled accurately to some extremely small increments, say 10e-15m.

The article mentions that van Neumann’s theorem about the impossibility of hidden variables had a mistaken proof. However, I understand that von Neumann’s (claimed) result was strengthened, with a correct proof, by the Kochen-Specker theorem. Is the Kochen-Specker Theorem still understood to show the impossibility of hidden variables? Is this a problem for the “pilot-wave” approach described in the article?

Well written! Really well done!

Hidden Variables are thought to have to major shortcomings (J.S. Bell “Showed”):

– Are NON LOCAL,

– Are CONTEXTUAL (which is by far the most important problem with them).

My contribution:

– They are non-local because all particles are intrinsically light-like and time as we know it is an illusion.

– They are actually NON contextual because the sole argument for contextuality is the formalism of spin, which, as unbelievable as it may seem, is WRONG. So that the Kochen-Specker theorem does not apply.

Sooner or later these things will emerge. Hehehe

Something more:

Hidden Variables is essentially the “correct explanation” for QM. Due to the time-less nature of the electromagnetic interaction (see also delayed choice experiments and Aharonov–Bohm) particles tell you that they know the future and their behaviour depends on the past of the universe …

To understand the Zitterbewegung and what happens inside hadrons you need only another ingredient … time … Search Study, Think, … you will find one day …

Sam, the theorem of Kochen and Specher is used to show that Hidden Variable theories are contextual, which is the most important shortcoming of these theories. The other problem is that the HV must be non-local theories (Bell).

However if the commonly accepted formalism of spin is wrong it can be that the Kochen and Specher theorem can not be applied and HV are NOT contextual.

The 2 slit theory.

I’d say in mathematical terms, what you see is what you get.

Your passing an object through a 3 dimensional object that in affect has 6 edges, 2 sides each and one front opening each, the reflection from, in affect the 4 edges and 2 openings equates to 6 and the fact you have 2 slits means you cancel out one of these as they run into one another i.e. 6/2 = 3.

It would if this mathematical method could be applied to a multiple number of slits to se whether this is in fact the case.

Kind regards,

Andrew Paton

Can you factor numbers with it?

A more recent alternative interpretation of QM that is in line with underlying classic reality is scale relativity (Nottale). In it’s early work it’s mostly Feynmannian in spirit (in the sense of path integrals) but in his latest papers the Bohmian aspect which was always there but in disguise is more explicit (see papers on macroscopic quantum fluids), he even introduces the Quantum potential from Bohm mechanics there. His latest papers on fluids is right in line with these experiments. In SR the pilot wave is replaced with a fractal spacetime which itself is a consequence of the principle of scale covariance.

Scale relativity goes further than BM because it also “derives” the fundamental equations of the standard model fields, so it’s not only for QM but also for QFT. Although the mathematical entities to derive the fields seems to come out of nowhere and not well founded in principles like symmetry (the standard approach to QFT).

Another even more fascinating model (although just like most interpretations of QM it doesn’t get any further than the Bohr atom so no advanced QM/QFT), is the fact that quantum theory itself might not be fundamental at all but rather already present in classic Einstein relativity but due to the fact that we do not fully mathematically exploit all its consequences by only using differential equations instead of the harder delay differential equations we do not see QM-like behavior in the classic relativistic equations.

See

* ON THE ORIGIN OF QUANTUM MECHANICS, Jaume Giné

* ON THE ORIGIN OF THE GRAVITATIONAL QUANTIZATION: THE TITIUS–BODE LAW, Jaume Giné.

* The electrodynamic 2-body problem and the origin of quantum mechanics1, raju

*Retarded gravitation theory, Raju

on a more general note: Sir Michael Attiyah seems also to think that delay differential equations might play an important role in physics:

*A Shifted View of Fundamental Physics, Attiyah & Moore

The model of the delay differential equations is right in line with the fluid model experiment where the droplet (=particle) interacts with its own echos from the past (via the fluid).

Hmm… Is it viable to make a hydrodynamical reproduction (experimental, or at least in simulation) of the delayed choice quatum eraser?

The upside of Bohm’s pilot waves is that they replace the magic wave function with a more normal wave (of ‘some’ kind). But they still don’t address, at least not directly, what for me is the far bigger mystery- what is the physics governing quantum “measurement”?

Pilot waves don’t make Bell’s Inequality go away. They’re a hidden variable governing the state of the observed particles, so they must be non-local. But then how do you square them with special relativity? Existing entanglement experiments have already proven that any signal between the pairs, hidden or not, would need to transit way faster than c, if not instantaneously, to the lab observer.

The only way I see to logically square this circle is to have both advanced and retarded pilot waves- ones moving forward and backwards in time, respectively. Entanglement then becomes perfectly rational- the particles coordinate their states with exchanges of advanced & retarded pilot waves until they hit a state of equilibrium. Both types of wave move at c or slower, but to external observers the ‘transaction’ appears instantaneous because the net elapsed time of the interaction is 0 in their reference frame. Otherwise I just don’t see how you can have Pilot Waves without contradicting existing experimental results, short of imbuing them with the same sort of wave function magic they are intended to replace.

There seems to be a infinitely recurring cycle here. If you represent the quantum world with a classical fluid – then you have to understand that our understanding of how fluids work is based on quantum mechanics. The fluids they are using in their experiment, are themselves, the product of summed up quantum events that behave classically. So now, to get to first principles, you have to describe the physics of that new superfluid that fills space- But, how are you going to do that? To describe that fluid, you will have to use some form of physics – you will also need to use some form of physics to represent the interaction of the fluid bubble with the surface of the fluid. In a classical fluid, there are classical mechanical properties such as viscosity, surface tension, density, etc – but all of our understanding of these classical properties are built upon measuring a infinitely summed up quantized system, and all of the classical phenomenon emerge from this summation. So are we to believe that the universe is a fractal, where this superfluid that fills all of space, is itself, some form of medium that has its own set of classical laws that are the result of a summed up physics at even a smaller scale? And then if we peel back that layer to that smaller scale to understand what makes that superfluid work, do we repeat the process again by inventing another fluid that governs the particles behavior in the larger fluid? It seems like we are just working in circles and not getting anywhere.

There could be that pilot waves exist in quantum description just for the short time, thus the guiding particle dissipates and reemeages from the probability field, it looks compartible with the conventional description

So, by analogy the photon doesn’t go through both slits, bit instead jumpst all over the place, sometimes going through one slide, sometimes through the other?

About nonlocality, look at this video. And Dr. Mardari has said, that particles and waves in his theory are on par with droplets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH72FLaJe5Y

If the vacuum is modeled by liquid and particle -liquid interaction has some velocity,so the energy transfer in the liquid must have the different bigger velocity,superluminal?